Saturday, July 02, 2005

"It's Rove": An Update

Found this on the Huffington Post written by Lawrence O'Donnell the MSNBC political analyst who named Rove last night as the White House insider who leaked Valerie Plame's name:

"I revealed in yesterday's taping of the McLaughlin Group that Time magazine's emails will reveal that Karl Rove was Matt Cooper's source. I have known this for months but didn't want to say it at a time that would risk me getting dragged into the grand jury.

McLaughlin is seen in some markets on Friday night, so some websites have picked it up, including Drudge, but I don't expect it to have much impact because McLaughlin is not considered a news show and it will be pre-empted in the big markets on Sunday because of tennis.

Since I revealed the big scoop, I have had it reconfirmed by yet another highly authoritative source. Too many people know this. It should break wide open this week. I know Newsweek is working on an 'It's Rove!' story and will probably break it tomorrow."

Woohoo. Yippee. Happy Independence Day Weekend.
If this is true, you won't see me, but I'll be dancing, oh I'll be dancing alright.


  1. 2005-07-02T21:21:10-05:00

    I'm not sure I understand, can you explain?


    And how long has O'Donnell been sitting on this without lifting a finger to confirm it? Apparently a number of members of the news media have known this for some time, but made no move to verify it and kept it hidden from the rest of us.


    But will anything change?


    Yeah that's what I was gonna say too... with everything else that's been "revealed"... nothing at all has changed.

    It's almost like they just shrug and say, "So what?" Nobody seems to care, except the people who were angry already.

    I'm afraid that most people on the right nowdays believe that the end justifies the means. And if you believe that, you can justify just about anything.

    Rexroths Daughter

    PS-- If it's true it's good news.
    Nio-- I'm not sure what it means legally for Karl Rove, that's a question for the courts to decide, but what it means politically is that someone inside the White House leaked the name of an undercover CIA agent. That can not be good-- it's hard to spin positively-- although I suspect they'll try by smearing Joe Wilson (which is what got them into the mess to begin with).
    janeboatler--The best discussion I saw of that particular revelation is on Digby. He has a sobering and honest post about how remiss the press has been. Yes, it seems a lot of the Washington Press Corp may have known for a while who leaked Plame's name and did not tell us. The question is: Why is the press protecting this administration? I've never seen anything like it in my life. Shouldn't they be all over this story? It's so much more important than Clinton's peccadillos, but somehow that philandering just grabbed the headlines. Go figure.
    Pablo-- I don't know if it will change anything, but it may slow down their zeal, which is a good start for me.
    Rurality--Something is in the air. The numbers are changing. The moderate right is waking up. Bush's approval rating are down. The Rove story piles on one more load for them to hold-- on top of Downing Street-- it's a nice one-two punch.
    I know I'm a dreamer, but only for today! It feels good.


    That said, many people have tried to go up against Rove, and each one has had their interests cruelly and mercilessly flattened. Several journalists have been fired or otherwise had their careers cut short. Look at what happened to Mike Wallace, and earlier, Bill Mahr. They are all waiting for the fall of Rove before they get back to their real job.

  2. 2005-07-02T23:11:13-05:00
    Rexroths Daughter

    SB-Gypsy-- If Rove is the one who leaked the name, he may face criminal charges. On the other hand I have been reading that there are some who think because Valerie Plame was back in Washington at a desk job, that the outing might not have been a crime. It remains to be seen-- if it's Rove and how it will be handled.
    janeboatler--I know I'm afraid to hope too. Just after I posted that comment I said to DPR, "How could it be Rove? How could he be stupid enough to commit a crime like that?" Ah, hubris. There is hope. They think they are above the law. We shall see. I've got my dancing shoes on, I'm ready.
    I do think things may start to stick-- if they don't, we're heading to Canada.

    dread pirate roberts

    i'm dancin' anyway.


    Also interesting that once again the bad news comes out on a holiday weekend/late firday evening. Gives the spinmeisters more time to put it into the proper orbit.


    The CIA agent was killed? This sounds vaguely familiar...

    Apparently without a TV one misses a lot.

    Rexroths Daughter

    Handdrummer--I'm starting to get worried. My hope is crashing. I keep remembering that this White House is often steps ahead of us, dropping these measly crumbs for us to lap up. This suddenly feels like Memo-Rathergate. We're going to get burned. I don't think Lawrence O'Donnell is in on it, revealing Rove on a Friday night, but the timing is awfully suspicious.
    Nio--Valerie Plame was not killed, but it is a federal crime to reveal the name of an undercover agent. Someone leaked Plame's name as an agent to the press because they were angry that her husband Joe Wilson had dared to confront the administration's lies about Iraq wanting uranium from Niger *(for all those WMDs). This is all about the lies to get us into Iraq. Oh what a twisted web they weave.

    C. Corax

    I haven't been able to get excited about any of this. The whole O'Donnell thing is too, I dunno, slick-sounding. I'll be happy if he's telling the truth, but I'm not holding my breath.

    The corporate media of course has an interest in keeping a right wing pro-corporate government in power. Down on the newsroom floor, even the reporters who sort of care about journalistic integrity probably live in fear for their jobs, if not their lives. Rove is the head fascist in fascist government; he's got a lot more killing to do before he's satisfied.

    A craven bunch, really, because if they chosen from the beginning to keep shining a light down the weasel hole of the Bush administration, the weasels would have been flushed by now and the Middle East--perhaps--wouldn't be the maelstrom of death it now is.

  3. 2005-07-03T03:54:30-05:00

    It feels good.

    Rexroths Daughter

    Same here! Happy right now, but wait and see. I've had my hopes dashed, time and time, again, with this admin/media.


    At the same time it will take forever, be a huge distraction and cost millions to try and flush him out. It might slow him down but 'his' teams are going full speed ahead with his agenda to keep this administration ultra conservative for the next couple of decades. Bush can fall on his face, trip over his tongue or brain all he wants now. His reign is almost over. He's of not much use to 'Karl'. A very scary fellow.

    It would be interesting to know the ripple effect outing Valerie Plame had on others in the CIA.


    Whether or not Plame was at a desk job is not relevant to whether it was a crime. The fact that she was outed could have negative affects on anybody she was in contact with when she was in the field - which means those contacts are now useless. Outing a field agent - even one who is no longer in the field - has negative affects on our ability to gather new information and recruit new infomants. I think the whole "she wasn't in the filed so it wasn't a crime" is a premptive strike to trivialize the seriousness of what happened.


    Valerie Plame was not killed, but it is a federal crime to reveal the name of an undercover agent.

    It would be interesting to know the ripple effect outing Valerie Plame had on others in the CIA.

    Yes, what about her connections who might have been compromised by the revelation that she was undercover for the CIA? We may never have answers.

    Rexroths Daughter

    OWL-- I'm waiting to see how this is all going to play out. I want Karl Rove to go down in flames. His lawyer has confirmed that Rove did talk with Cooper, but swears he did not reveal Plame. What was Rove doing talking to Cooper anyway. Rove was the one who said Plame was, "fair game." Oh really?
    CCorax-- I am not getting my hopes up. I've learned that bitter lesson. This administration is sickeningly slicker than any in my memory. I'm waiting.
    JSK-- Good question, what has been the effect of outing Plame? We may start to get answers-- maybe.
    Afarensis-- The "Valerie Plame was at her desk" is their talking point. It does a good job of showing a bit of their hand, at this point. Doesn't look good to have to defend the outing of an agent claiming she was at her desk.
    janeboatler-- what's really interesting about all of this is how it goes back to cooking the books to pre-emptively invade Iraq. That's where all of this could get very interesting.


    While I'm not ready to dance, unless O'Donnell is nuts or mistaken it sounds bad for Rove. I suppose Newsweek will clarify tomorrow and the emails from Time Mag Mag, next week.

    (Sounds like O'Donnell is pretty much a rat, gloating over spewing his inside info (that he withheld for months) that others might go to jail over withholding. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course!)

    Also, Rove would have perjured himself to the grand jury, in addition to the other things.

    Yes, he's a wily, vile monster. Maybe he overreached himself this time. A MAJOR embarrassment if so, and maybe worse than that for Bush.

    If all this turns out to be the case, RD and I will be dancing. And hopefully others will be looking into why the media didn't publish this information.

  4. 2005-07-03T22:13:30-05:00
    Slap Me Silly Sally

    It ought to be treason to do what he did. I cross my fingers and watch….


    Hey maybe people are paying attention after all.

    This from Technorati:
    Top 10 searches, past hour:
    1. Live8
    2. Karl Rove
    3. Live 8
    4. Pink Floyd
    5. War Of The Worlds
    6. Rove
    7. Rove Plame
    8. Jiu-jitsu
    9. Tour De France
    10. My Web 2.0

    OK I don't get the jiu-jitsu, but Rove's on there 3 times!


    Well, as of the morning of July 4 the tea leaves are starting to suggest that Karl will skate. But if it's any consolation (assuming the gypsy speaks truth), whatever happens with Treasongate, reality is starting to steamroll Karl's edifice of lies. I think the George W. Bush project is collapsing. Of course, I've thought that before.